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In this episode, Example discusses his journey through the darker aspects of fame, success and the music industry. Growing up undiagnosed with Aspergers, he struggled with emotional regulation and fell victim to the allure of drugs and destructive behaviors during his rise to prominence. The combination of early success, wealth and industry pressure created a perfect storm that nearly destroyed him.
Example describes how money and fame gradually transformed him into someone he didn't recognize. The external validation from chart success and sold-out shows became a trap, feeding an internal void rather than filling it. He found himself competing with his own earlier achievements, caught in a cycle of self-medication and self-hatred that made him question whether continuing in music was worth the cost to his mental health.
A critical turning point came when Example decided to step back and address his destructive patterns. He discovered the power of spiritual practices, particularly breathwork and meditation, which provided tangible tools for managing the psychological challenges that had plagued him. These practices offered a foundation for genuine healing rather than temporary escape.
Personal tragedy became transformative when Example experienced a miscarriage with his partner. This event fundamentally shifted his understanding of what matters in life, moving him away from the pursuit of external markers of success toward more meaningful connections and personal authenticity.
Example addresses the challenge of competing with former versions of yourself, a struggle many high achievers face. He explains how the pressure to maintain past success levels creates unrealistic expectations and prevents genuine growth. Instead, he advocates for redefining what success means on a personal level rather than through industry metrics.
The conversation covers practical advice for anyone caught in a reckless phase, emphasizing the importance of community, authentic connection and willingness to seek help. Example reflects on his continued evolution as an artist and person, noting that taking breaks from constant productivity and external validation has paradoxically made him a better creator.
Throughout the episode, Example demonstrates vulnerability about his struggles while also showing how self-awareness and deliberate practice around mindfulness and breathwork can create lasting change. His story serves as a cautionary tale about the hidden costs of fame while offering hope for recovery and redefinition of success on more authentic terms.
“Money and fame can turn you into a monster if you're not careful about who you become”
“Self-medication was my way of running from the pain rather than facing it”
“Breathwork and spirituality gave me real tools instead of temporary escapes”
“The miscarriage changed everything about how I see success and what matters”
“You can't keep competing with a former version of yourself and expect to grow”